August 2009 Mailbag - Letters to the EditorPosted in Project Vehicles on August 1, 2009 Comment (0)
You guys kill me. Of the 35 or so bars you highlighted in "A Little Ambiance" (May '09), something like 25 of them were in California, Arizona, Utah, and so on. You threw in a few Midwestern joints for laughs.
Two stinkin' bars in the Eastern USA are all you could come up with? Get real. And one of them, Bennington, Vermont, is the Yuppie capital of the world. The Escalades outnumber the Jeeps 20 to 1 there.
Plenty of trails and forests nearby Bennington? Yeah, right. There's plenty of water when you are on the beach too, just try to take a drink.
At least the Jersey bar is out in the scrub, even if it is less than 30 miles from Philly.
Yep, I'll have to stop in at Woody's in Moab next time I'm out for a day of rockcrawling in Utah from my home in Pennsylvania.
OK, you asked for it. Try the Drunkin Monkey in Ashland, Pennsylvania, after a day of wheeling in the burning strip mines around Centralia.
Don't tell anyone you're from California though. You never know how they'll react.Russ ScaramastraReading, Pennsylvania
Loved "A Little Ambiance" (May '09). I stop at the bars in Crown King and Cleator, Arizona all the time. I think you missed a great one though. It's called Wild Horse bar on Carefree Highway near Lake Pleasant in Peoria, Arizona. The sign reads Burger, Beer and Bait. Trails near there are backroads to Crown King, Castle Creek, Buckhorn and Walker Gulch.Larry BedeneVia e-mail
Colorado Lush List
Add Smugglers Brew Pub and Grill and The Last Dollar Saloon to your off-road bars list. Both are in Telluride, Colorado. The infamous Black Bear Pass and Imogene Pass can be seen from the front door of The Last Dollar Saloon. Yankee Boy Basin and Ohpir Pass are close as well.Marc Thompson Telluride, Colorado
I'm surprised you forgot to add your favorite hang out when you're at Glamis! Add Boardmanville to the bar list. It's the original bikers bar from the 1970s. Now it's a family destination for food and drink. I went there with my '70 DT-1 Yamaha; high-lights were the cold beer, outside shower (again original wet T-shirt contest) and the dollar bills stapled to the walls. It's still a good family lunch destination when driving the dunes at Glamis. They like NASCAR and the Intimidator. Here's the coordinates: 32.985633 -115.034511.
Also add the Jawbone Canyon Store in Cantil, California. Back in the 1980s when I use to ride and race 465 Yamaha dirt bikes this was a great location to ride, hill climb and hang out with friends in camp.
Now that I'm older and wiser the Jeep and motorhome makes life more comfortable, but I'm still camping and Jeeping in the desert. The Jawbone Canyon and Dove Springs areas offer many great trails and hills. Also near by are Nightmare Gulch and Last Chance Canyon, these trails offer waterfalls, off-camber trails and excellent views.Brent PalmerTri-County Social Club
I just read "A Little Ambiance" (May '09). What about Pappy & Harriots (pappyandharriets.com) in Pioneertown? It's almost in your backyard. Nothing like it to wash the dust out after a trip down Burns or Rattlesnake canyon. Where else can you find bikers, dirt bikers, Jeepers and horse riders all drinking in harmony?Gary PetzerVia e-mail
From The Horses' Mouth
We are the owners of the Crown King Saloon and would like to thank you for including our Saloon in "A Little Ambiance" (May '09). There was just one thing we noticed that was incorrect. You do not have to have a four-wheel-drive in order to get up here if you come up the main way through Cleator, Arizona. You only need a 4x4 if you come up the back way through Lake Pleasant.Mike and Dawn ColtCrown King SaloonCrown King, Arizona
The April '09 issue looks great. Pete hit another home run with the on-board air article ("Air Free"), very thorough! I really liked Christian's "Poor Man's Posi-Lok", "Cheap-Avenger," and "The $1,035 YJ". These are not the sort of things that you will find in Four Wheeler, or even Petersen's (these days at least). However, I am still trying to figure out what you contributed.Harry WagnerSome palatial estate in New Mexico
Hmm, what did I contribute? A few gray hairs, some stomach lining, and my liver!
Not A Jeep
I'm always looking for new magazines to add to my monthly diet. What could be better for a guy who's always driven Jeeps than an all-Jeep mag? Anyway, in the May '09 Mailbag you say you don't consider the Mighty Mite a Jeep. But then a couple of letters later you claim the M35A2 to be the baddest Jeep ever. That 2 1/2-ton truck really ain't a Jeep! Let's see that overgrown beast try to operate on a real Jeep trail! Get a clue! I'd like to read about the Mighty Mite if you can find a knowledgeable author. In the meantime I'm still looking for another good magazine to subscribe to.Irv VanEnwyckMorristown, Arizona
More Not a Jeep
I just got my May `09 issue of Jp. In Mailbag you stated the M151 is not a Jeep. Willys (then later Kaiser), Ford and also AM General built Mutts. If the Mutt is not a Jeep, because it wasn't built by Jeep, then that's like saying the GPW is not a Jeep because it was built by Ford! If it was shot at and blown up on the front lines, it deserves to be called a Jeep. I own a Mutt, it is in fact the evolutionary pinnacle of the military Jeep that actually saw combat with US Forces. There is a saying, "My Jeep went to war, yours carried the mail." I'm not knocking civilian Jeeps at all, I have a `68 Wagoneer and my daily driver is an SRT8 Grand Cherokee, I just think the Mutt deserves its rightful place amongst the legions of Jeeps!ChadSan Diego, California
OK, this is the last time I'm gonna go over this. I'll start from the beginning. The GPW is a Jeep. It was designed by Willys and the Ford assembly lines were only contracted to build it to keep up with the demand. It was not designed by Ford so it is a true Jeep in my mind. The M151 (MUTT) was actually designed and developed by Ford. However Ford did not build many M151s. The commercial division of Willys and later AM General built them. But the M151 is not a Willys design, so it is not a Jeep in my mind. The 2 1/2-ton is a little trickier. Kaiser had owned Willys-Overland (later named Jeep) from 1953 until 1970. The M35A2 was designed by Kaiser, but it was later built and refurbished by several other manufacturers. However, since it was an original Kaiser design and it's likely the most capable production heavy-truck of that era, I think it deserves the Jeep name in the same exact way an M715 gets it (technically the M715 is a Kaiser). Then if you really want to get technical you could consider the current Dodge Power Wagon a Jeep using similar logic. And if you've been reading Jp for any amount of time you'll know that I do consider the Power Wagon a Jeep. It's just been misbranded by Chrysler. Anybody wanna see a project where we convert the new Power Wagon into a modern Jeep pickup?
As a new Jp magazine subscriber, I was very impressed with your April '09 issue. I am following your $1,035 YJ project very closely since purchasingmy '91 Jeep YJ last month.I didn't"steal" my YJ like you guys did for $500 (I paid $1,900 for my '91), but felt likeI got a greatdeal on a 100-percent rust free, accident free,straight and near original-condition unmolested Jeep YJ. I am currentlycleaning the engine bay and haveordered the Crown tune-up kit, a new set of Smittybilt seat covers and I am changing out all of the fluids.The aftermarket alloy wheels and original factory red paint should buff out nicely with a little elbow grease and a weekend of my time.
I had to read the "International Buys Jeep!"story twice. Is this an April fool's joke?I understand GM and Cerberus top executives have been talking about a merger, but yourscoop that Jeep is being sold to International was a complete surprise and music to my ears.A '10 JeepWrangler with not one, but two V-6 diesel engine options?If your"deep inside" Chrysler source rumors are true,a 25-mpg torque-happy 3.0L Mercedes diesel Jeep Wranglermay find a home in my garage next year.Keep up the great articles, and I am looking forward to the next issue.David SpreitzerNewport Beach, California
Cry Me a River
I would just like to say bravo to Christian Hazel for "The $1,035 YJ" story (April '09). It's not too often these days that someone has the intestinal fortitude to come out and say "I totally ripped that chick off". What you should have done after you got the Jeep running was to go by her house, tell her how much the repairs were, then take a picture of the look of anguish on her face. They say that chivalry isn't dead, but with people like Mr. Hazel around I bet it's worried. Keep up the bad work, the world needs more villains.Name withheldVia e-mail
That's not a bad idea. Guys like you probably think I'll wind up in hell and if I believed in any of that god, devil, afterlife fairytale I might waste my breath in argument. Regardless, I fail to see how it's my responsibility to screw myself out of a good deal since I never misled or lied to anybody. I simply offered an amount I was willing to pay and it was accepted. Not my fault the chick couldn't punch in "Jeep no shift" into Google to find a few possible causes for her troubles and it's not my fault she waited until the eleventh hour to get rid of a vehicle she knew needed to be gone before she vacated her rental house. Rules of the watering hole, my friend. Last time I checked the lion doesn't tell the gazelle there are safer places to drink.-Christian Hazel
Kudos to Jpand Harry Wagner!After pissing off a third of your subscribers by sending us some DVD that we needed to pay for or return, Harry goes and trashes another third who own Jeeps shod with 33s ("White Sheep", April '09).Maybe you could write an article degrading women or cats or something to make sure you don't leave anyone out!Dean MathewsMuskogee, Oklahoma
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